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Friday, September 30, 2011
Um hey, Scientific American? Bird knees bend the same way as everyone else.
9:08 PM
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Scott Hartman
Ok, time for a quick anatomy lesson: Despite what you may have heard, bird knees do not bend backward. Nor, in fact, do the knees of any tetrapod perform this trick. Given the role of the knee in locomotion, it's not even clear how such a reversal could evolve after the initial "knee bend" direction was settled upon several hundred million years ago.
Why bring the anatomical equivalent of a fairy tale? Well, it's a fairly common misconception. So common, in fact, that it was recently enshrined by none other than Scientific American. So let's see if we can clear this up after the break:
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| Really, it's not. |
The key here is that people are plantigrade animals, while all theropods (including birds) are digitigrade. That means that human ankles are flat on the ground, and in our case our knees are roughly in the middle of our legs. In birds and other digitigrade animals (most dinosaurs and many mammals, like dogs, deer, and horses) it's only the toes that contact the ground. The ankle joint is well up off the ground, and the knee is is actually in the upper 1/3rd of the leg. And in birds the thigh is actually even a smaller part of the leg, and as mentioned above is also mostly hidden under feathers. Here's a look comparing the same leg portions of a human (in two poses), a dog, and an extinct bird:
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| Presbyornis Copyright Scott Hartman, other skeletals modified after Charles Knight. |
Which brings us back to the article posted by Scientific American. I don't want to go too far with "gotcha" blogging; Scientific American is generally one of the more accurate popularizers of science on the web and in print. I took a look the other pieces published by the author, and she seems like a solid reporter that just happens to have made a mistake. Journalists don't get science degrees (and even if they did that would only be one subject), so this should not be construed as an attack.
But at the same time, this is a serious error. It's like reporting that September has 32 days in it, or that the Red Sox clinched a playoff spot this week. Only worse, as it's perpetuating a myth that gets passed around as "common knowledge". I attempted to bring this to the attention of the relevant parties shortly after it was reported, both on Google+, where SciAm blog editor Bora Zivkovic has been making effective use of the new social network, and the author's Twitter account (which is frequently used). Despite near real-time feedback, days have gone by with no correction.
Making a mistake is understandable, but failing to correct it is not. Scientific American has written hundreds of articles on the state of science education, and has often been an effective advocate for ways to improve it. But the authority they derive comes from their attention to scientific detail, so I hope we will now see a quick correction without further delay.
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Interesting that you used an image of a bird called a thick knee! XD
ReplyDeleteNice article Scott.
ReplyDeleteThis makes me crazy when talking with animators who want to learn how to rig dogs legs because they're "backwards"...
@Albertonykus: Shhh, you spoil the fun!
ReplyDelete@optimistic: Thanks, and I agree. I've worked with quite a few animators on projects now, and this fundamental misunderstanding seems to crop up all the time.
Have just added a comment to the Observations blog to alert them to this post. I was surprised by this peculiar error as well.
ReplyDeleteWow! Anatomy fail on SA's part!!
ReplyDeleteThis is actually how I begin every basics of anatomy/homology lecture. I ask students "which barnyard animals have knees that point backwards." (In fact, I use the same thing in the dino encyclopedia, too.)
Following an excellent presentation by Stuart Sumida I saw back around 2000, I now use pictures by Chuck Jones from Chuck Amok which show cartoon dogs, horses, kangaroos, sloths, etc., all wearing the same (distorted) sneaker and thigh-high sock as a cartoon human.
Thanks Darren; this article is going out to the social interwebs today as well.
ReplyDelete@Tom: That's a good idea. This summer I put the knee bit in as a throw-away to the day one introduction to dinosaurs (while looking at general anatomy and characters).
The Planet Dinosaur guys fell for the same thing once, too - we all had a good laugh :)
ReplyDeleteAh, I love those Chuck Jones anatomy studies!
ReplyDeleteThis kind of reminds me of an article I read very recently where the author mentioned "did you know elephants do not have kneecaps in all four knees?"
Wut?
..."did you know elephants do not have kneecaps in all four knees?"
ReplyDeleteAhh, the stupid, it hurts!
Thanks for this, Scott. I went there today (Oct 26, 2011) and it still says bird knees bend backwards! They really need to fix that.
ReplyDeleteI've left comments directly to the author and to the blog editor with no response. It's really disconcerting action from a publication that has been a pillar of popular science reporting.
ReplyDeleteYES!! I've been telling people all of this for so long it hurts!!! oh the diagrams I've scratched out trying to explain bird anatomy!! THANK YOU!!
ReplyDeleteHey Scott-
ReplyDeleteI once had a heated debate with a veteranarian (is that spelled correctly) about horse knees... she of course claiming that they bend backwards, me explaining what you've said above. I looked into it a bit and it seems that horse people actually call that backward-facing ankle joint... the knee! And there's a pair of them on the front legs, too!
go ahead... google "horse knee"
WTF?
I've run into that before - I think the onus is on horse breeders to change their terminology - if they all got together and decided to refer to the tail as the "head" we'd all laugh at them until they stopped.
ReplyDeleteObviously there are many smaller fields where terms have uses that don't parallel what comparative anatomists use, but I think that average, normal people would expect the term knee to be applied consistently as well.
I came to this realization myself several years ago after spending some time with my dog, examining his legs.
ReplyDeleteUm, what is clearly functionally the "knee" bends backwards... this is much ado about nothing.
ReplyDeleteNo, that's the ankle. It's not even biomechanically possible for the knee to work that way. This is basic anatomy 101, and there's no excuse for a science publication to make such an obvious error.
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