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Tuesday, March 29, 2011
Tails of Woe
1:54 PM
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Scott Hartman
Welcome back! This will be a shorter article that continues the concern for tails that we established in the inaugural T. rex tail post a couple weeks ago. There is an all too common error that artists make when they attempt to impart a sense of to dynamic motion to their dinosaurs - and in particular to the dromaeosaurs. They flex the tail up at the base so sharply that it would break the tail...if not break the pelvis!
We'll figure out how to avoid this gruesome mistake after the break...
We all like lively dancing dinosaurs; after a century of seeing moribund dinosaurs in swamps it's understandable that modern artists want to convey the "awesomeness" of their subjects. If you ask me it can go too far sometimes - animals don't live their lives at 90 miles an hour - but we can all grasp the excitement of making a dynamic composition. One way to impart motion is to have the tail doing something dramatic. Alas, enhancing your dancing dinosaur this way without considering the anatomy may lead to an image where the animal has its tail disarticulated, or worse.
I mentioned dromaeosaur images tend to be among the worse offenders, and I know some of you are thinking "I've read that dromaeosaur tails can flex upwards at a 90 degree angle at the base of the tail!!!". And it's true, the first several tail vertebrae are modified in such a way as to provide an expanded degree of flexibility (for up and down motion...not so much side to side), which means they have the ability to tilt the tail up sharply, to intimidate a rival, or just to better fit on your piece of paper. But it's important to note that this tilt up takes place over the course of several vertebrae, meaning it can't happen like this:
Barsbold, R. (1983). Carnivorous dinosaurs from the Cretaceous of Mongolia, Transactions of the Joint Soviet-Mongolian Paleontological Expedition v19, pp 5–119.
Tail Tales: Break Dancing
I mentioned dromaeosaur images tend to be among the worse offenders, and I know some of you are thinking "I've read that dromaeosaur tails can flex upwards at a 90 degree angle at the base of the tail!!!". And it's true, the first several tail vertebrae are modified in such a way as to provide an expanded degree of flexibility (for up and down motion...not so much side to side), which means they have the ability to tilt the tail up sharply, to intimidate a rival, or just to better fit on your piece of paper. But it's important to note that this tilt up takes place over the course of several vertebrae, meaning it can't happen like this:
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| The dromaeosaur is apparently snarling in pain (from here) |
At least it can't happen more than once unless the animal has good health insurance. Now I certainly don't want to pick on Chris Srnka here - he's a fine artist and a lot of people make this mistake - this was just a great image to demonstrate the problem. If you look at the image in handy-dandy X-ray format (as provided by Photoshop TM) the image would look something like this:
That red arrow is the steepest possible angle the tail could take emerging from the pelvis. Why? Dinosaur pelves have many vertebrae built into the sacrum (adding vertebrae to the sacrum is actually one of the characters that define what is and what isn't a dinosaur). That sacrum fuses together and to the pelvis in adults, but even in juveniles there are no moving parts involved.
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| Front is to the left, the tail would be to the right (Carpenter & Wilson, 2008) |
See? There's just nothing that could move, even hypothetically. In the case of dromaeosaurs the tail flexes up by spreading that 80 or so degrees of motion over 6+ joints, so none is flexing more than 14 degrees. Here is a diagram of it:
So no more dromaeosaurs with tails growing out of their sacrum, please.
This isn't just a dromaeosaur problem either. Many artists try to arch the tail base up on dinosaurs who don't naturally do this, and in so doing end up disarticulating the tail (or breaking the sacrum). Even Greg Paul's early Daspletosaurus painting fell prey to this temptation.
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| Daspletosaurus, copyright Greg Paul, image from here. |
The problem is a bit more subtle in this painting, but the line of the vertebral column should extend gently down from the pelvis, while in this case it is flexed up right at the sacrum/tail juncture. This would require a 25-30 degree flexure right at the first tail vertebrae (or else some flexing of the sacrum), which isn't going to happen without making the animal wince in sharp pain and reach for some Advil poste haste - and tyrannosaurs have horribly adapted arms for taking pain killers.
There are some important exceptions here. Many sauropods, stegosaurs, and hadrosaurs have a bit of an upwards arch naturally at the tail base as it exits the pelvis. Obviously those should have a bit of an arch (how much depends on the species in question). But for most other dinosaurs, an arch of that magnitude isn't possible that immediately after the pelvis.
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| Sauropods like Mamenchisaurus have a natural flex in the tail base...but it still happens after th pelvis! |
So remember, dinosaur tails may be flexible (depending on the group), but they aren't silly putty. The vertebrae still need to articulate, and any motion you put into the tail needs to start after the hips, as the sacrum just can't bend.
Till next time, don't create your own tails of woe!
References:
Carpenter, K. & Wilson, Y. (2008) A New Species of Camptosaurus (Ornithopoda: Dinosauria) from the Morrison Formation (Upper Jurassic) of Dinosaur National Monument, Utah, and a Biomechanical Analysis of Its Forelimb, Annals of Carnegie Museum, v76 n4, pp 227-263.
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Very helpful post!
ReplyDeleteScott, that's a great post!
ReplyDelete14° per intervertebral joint may not be the end of the line in all cases, and too much in others, but is certainly reasonable for "normal" tails, too.
Absolutely Heinrich. And actually you could probably push 16-18 in some dromaeosaur tails I think, but I don't expect illustrators to be able to estimate it in each case (since you really need to manipulate the 3d object - either for real or virtually - to tell.
ReplyDeleteThere actually will be more Tails of Woe posts in the future, so perhaps we can lay out some ground rules for different dinosaurs at some point ;)
After some frightening paragraphs, I finally saw with great relief that none of my 90° tail dromaeosaurs has violated its anatomical boundaries so far.
ReplyDelete@Scott - on a more serious note: after having read your caudofemoralis post, is there any chance we're gonna see a post dealing with the allegedly more "knee-driven" mode of locomotion of non-avian maniraptorans? ;)
Haha, I like to keep you on the edge of your seat (how many science blogs do that, eh?).
ReplyDeleteI certainly have several locomotion posts planned...but I have several hundred posts worth of material. And perhaps some other print avenues to explore.
Still, I'm certainly susceptible to suggestion on the blog, so if there's interest in locomotion posts I may shift them up the ladder.
Thanks for such a helpful post! From now on, I will pay more attention to tail anatomy on my theropods. Although I tend to make my dinos's tails pretty parallel to the ground, now I'm afraid to look again at my old drawings... xD
ReplyDeleteFunnily enough, that Greg Paul illustration always looked a bit weird to me, but didn't know exactly why. Now I have a solid reason. :)